Tuesday, January 26, 2010
Guest Editor-Blogger: David Paulides
My question to everyone who has responded;
Why bring a tracker and a hound if you're not trying to find the culprit?
There has never been a bigfoot captured.
I outlined the profile of the biped so that Linda's audience would understand what they are dealing with. These are smart people (USFS), there was never an intention to belittle or embarrass, but, nobody will capture a bigfoot, and, they know that. This leaves the only rationale for bringing a hound and a tracker...
There are no experts in the bigfoot arena, contrary to what many will claim. I may know more then the average citizen about bigfoot but there are no true experts.
I have NEVER stated I know what the bigfoot problem is here, ever. I merely commented on what others have stated and outlined.
The USFS ALWAYS has a choice on what they do, always. To think that anyone has the answers to these issues is foolish. I merely made people aware of circumstances that have crept into the public spotlight in the past, severak times in the past.
My comments about seals, etc, is based on 20 years of law enforcement and specialized education I received during SWAT training, and, my continued relationships. If there is a bigfoot in that area, if the staff are knowledgeable on that topic, (both major assumptions) why would they go into that area with a tracker and dog? If they are going to track it, they are attempting to find it. If they find it, they are forcing a confrontation that won't be good for either party.
Again, I know as much as anyone else on what is occurring at the lake.I do know that several FOIA requests have already been filed and that the USFS will have to disclose any study they are conducting in that area in the near future.Why would they not disclose what they are studying, it would only quell media hype at this point?...
I wrote "it appears that they are going out to kill it", I did not say they are going out to kill it. Based on my outline above the only rational answer to bring a tracker and a dog is to force a confrontation. When there is a confrontation between man and biped, the result is not good. No, tranquilizers will not work, bigfoot has hands and would pull the dart out.
1. Why wouldn't the USFS explain what study they are conducting?
2. Why would they close an area that has been vandalized and state they have no idea what has caused it? Bears could not have done this damage, that's blatantly obvious. There is no animal in your forests that could've done this damage.
3. Why bring a tracker if you're not going to track?
4. They must have a plan for capture if they have a tracker and hound, correct? The issue with this scenario is that the biped is too big, too mobile, too strong and too quick to be captured. It wouldn't be prudent to corner it.
5. I could write volumes about what we know about exact similar scenarios that have played out across the US in the past.I write because this type of USFS involvement has happened before with identical language being used. If this is a mundane issue, why not tell us? This is occurring on our property being employed by public servants that are required through the FOIA to tell us everything they do upon request.
6. Please use common sense on these type of issues. If public relations personnel are being evasive and they know the public is possibly aware of unusual circumstances, the reality is that this is an unusual issue.
Most of you probably know nothing about our organization, but, we would not be the ones intruding on the issue or filing briefs, like other groups are now doing. We take a much more conservative and cautious approach to these issues. If anyone has read our literature, I think you'd have a greater understanding of our community involvement and positive impact on educating the public on bigfoot issues.
In the years that we've been conducting our research, the USFS has refused to acknowledge, assist or be educated on the studies that we have conducted, except one person....That one person is very, very high up the chain and knows exactly what we know...They know that the facts that have been presented to the public regarding the lake are highly probable that a bigfoot is involved. They know the risks associated with such an expedition...
I personally apologize to anyone who I have offended, that was never the intent. I would encourage anyone to educate themselves on this topic, peruse websites and read the 5,000+ encounters that are documented on the web. You will be astounded at what you find. On every topic, on every study there are always people that know more then the people involved, always. It's sometimes difficult to convey knowledge without being belligerent, rude or offensive, and, apparently I wasn't successful in this endeavor.
NABS is the only group in the world that is studying bigfoot with a full time team and funding. We have been doing this for almost 6 years and have garnered information that is unique and specific to the topic. We don't know everything, but, as a team, are knowledge base is wide. We have researched over 400 encounters/sightings and have been in many states and counties. We require an affidavit on every report filed and we are the only group in the world to require that process. We encourage you to contact us directly with your concerns and questions at: firstname.lastname@example.org.
Thanks to Linda for offering this forum for healthy conversation on the topic.
Guest Editor-Blogger: David Paulides
Squaw Lake and Fish Lake
North America Bigfoot Search has been studying this topic for almost 6 years. We’ve trekked into some of the most remote regions of our forests, never traveling to see the biped but to understand the reasons it may be visiting that specific area. We started our research with no pre-conceived ideas or designated path, we were not given marching orders. This was pure research bringing every variable into the mix.
After months of accumulating data, talking to various experts, spending years in isolated communities, mapping locations of sightings, a shape of what we were studying started to take shape. This was a very slow process, months of team meetings, reviewing reports by experts on behavior, language, motion, tracking, footprints, photography and many other subjects too numerous to mention.
One of the first reports we prepared was an overview of bigfoot traits. This was a summary of thousands of reports that showed a consistency of behavior in identified areas. This is the link to our site where we outline and provide a brief overview of that report: http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/bigfootdescription.html
The traits and characteristics that we identified:
This is a biped.
An adult ranges on average from 6-8” in height.
Average weight 600-800 pounds.
It can reach a ground speed of 30-35 mph.
It is 10-15X stronger then the average human.
Teeth are similar to human.
Hair color can be anything in the range that humans possess
Can be very territorial.
Vision- Daylight vision is average while night vision is exemplary.
Hearing –possibly an infrasound ability that humans do not possess
The sense of smell is equal to or greater then humans.
Rational thinking ability has been shown and exhibited
Rock Throwing, sometimes huge boulders, extremely accurate
Wood Structures, (The Hoopa Project Pg 124).
Yelling and screaming
Similar to human.
Does have an unidentified language, confirmed by a linguistic expert. See the attached link for report: http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfootlanguage.html
Footprint is similar to human, refer to report:
Swimming-Excellent, known to swim long distances
Highly interested in small children and women with long hair.
Climbs trees with ease.
Can stalk with an extremely stealthy approach.
DNA- There have been numerous DNA tests done on samples attributed to bigfoot and a majority have been classified as having a human element. Scientists have discounted the human results as being caused by human contamination. NABS has been conducting their own DNA testing for the last 22 months with results indicating this is not an animal.
All of the indicators that NABS has established is that bigfoot is on the human side of the genetic tree.
Fish Lake is located in the Six Rivers National Forest in Northern California, just south of Bluff Creek. There has been a history of bigfoot incidents at this lake dating back to the 1950’s. Bluff Creek travels just east of the lake and eventually dumps into the Klamath River. There is a paved road that goes directly to the lake where there is exceptional campgrounds and a truly beautiful setting. The area immediately behind the lake has been closed to all hiking for the last 7 years. The USFS claims that the region has a tree disease that can be carried and spread, thus the closure of the area. It’s always been suspicious to NABS that this area is closed as it represents absolute prime bigfoot habitat and also would be the alleyway for the biped to walk from the interior of the wilderness into Fish Lake and onto the Klamath and Hoopa. When we have spoke to administrators in the Orleans office about this issue, they are very evasive as to when the area will open and, specifically why and where the disease is located. We have also asked for the reports outlining the issue in the area and have been told they would be forth coming, we’ve never received them.
As this blog is going out there is an ongoing project taking place in southern Oregon. In the recent past there has been serious damage done to a sign and garbage cans in a remote wilderness area of a National Forest. The type of damage that was sustained was severe and inconsistent with a teenager going on a adolescent rampage. Local bigfoot researchers in the area got a hold of this story and started to look into the issue. Not long after initial inquiries the USFS closed the region to all public access.
Articles have stated that a California Bigfoot group has filed a formal complaint with the Forest Service about the closure, this was not NABS. There has also been a recent article indicating that a USFS team will be going into the area with the aid of snowmobiles. They will be staying for two weeks and will be taking a biologist, a tracker, an animal behavioral specialist and a hound. There was no mention of any firearms or tranquilizers. The Forest Service spokesperson was asked what type of study was going to take place by this team, his comment, “I’m not at liberty to discuss it any further.” Maybe there is no study taking place, maybe they are going in to bring out a body?
All indications are that the team entering this Southern Oregon Forest are attempting to stalk the perpetrator of the vandalism. The team knows that a bigfoot may be the culprit.
There has NEVER been a confirmed case where people have been successful in stalking a bigfoot, bigfoot will find you on their terms, not yours. Bigfoot has shown mixed emotions with canines. There have been many documented cases where dogs have gotten involved with a bigfoot and have not lived through the encounter. There have been others where the bigfoot hasn’t felt threatened by the canine and the dog merely ran from the biped and hid his under a house or their owner.
The behavior indicated by the biped in southern Oregon shows that it is probably not happy with human intrusion into an area that it wants to occupy. It has shown aggression and its reluctance to merely move onto another area, it is being territorial.
NABS has publicly indicated that we believe that bigfoot is on the human side of the genetic tree (Tribal Bigfoot, DNA Report, Pg 372-373). We believe that this genetic association also means there are bigfoot that mimic the human population, passive, aggressive, interested, angry and criminal. Researchers entering an area where a bigfoot has shown aggressive and angry behavior is forcing a confrontation that will not be beneficial to the researchers or the bigfoot. First, it is extremely doubtful that we (the public) will ever know the true outcome of this expedition. If someone is seriously injured or killed, they will be carried out by helo and we will hear zero. If nothing happens, nothing will be said. As we’ve stated many times in the past, bigfoot finds you, you won’t find bigfoot. Going into high altitude wilderness in the middle of winter puts you on their turf and their conditions, not something that NABS would ever do. You need every advantage when studying this biped, including the ability to evacuate quickly, which won’t exist in a major storm.
NABS believes that this team is greatly underestimating the conditions that will be present. Our guess is that they will set up camp in a valley area, probably near the base of a mountain to lessen wind and weather issues against their camp and to be near a water source. Anyone who has studied bigfoot knows that they enjoy camp sites at the bottom of mountains and in valleys as this offers them the optimum location to harass (rock throwing, keeping you up at night, etc) and observe you! The team would not set their camp on a mountaintop or ridgeline as weather conditions would be horrid in winter.
When you enter a habitat that is occupied by beings that have lived it for thousands of years, you better bring in experts. The Green Berets, Navy Seals and Army Rangers have experts in survival under these conditions. They know how to occupy areas covertly and successfully place surveillance under harsh conditions. We’ve spoke to these experts about the conditions that will be present in Oregon and they state that researchers entering this area without adequate support (immediate evacuation when needed), training (extensive winter survival training should you be forced from your camp), positioning (Knowing where to place the camp to have a tactical advantage) and having personnel that can get you in and out with everyone alive and healthy, and, no casualties at either end.. These specific areas of expertise should be employed when entering a wilderness area under adverse conditions.
It would be interesting to understand the expeditions goals. It would appear that they are going out to kill it, thus the dogs and the tracker. If this is the motive of the team, there will be no good outcome.
North America Bigfoot Search
Guest Editor-Blogger: Anita
This is the story from the Chiloquin Guardian story from Oct 1962 on the Columbus Day Creature.
Headline: The Strange Case Of The Ape Creature.
All the buzz around town lately has been over the strange creature that was found dead under a storm damaged tree in Josephine County. The creature was found by a crew clearing wind blown trees near O'Brien on the Oregon- California border.
The creature is said to be covered with short scruffy black hair resembling something in between a gorilla and human in looks. A private source has told the paper that the creature is a female, seven feet 4 inches in length. The weight is said to be five hundred and seventy pounds.The body was found to be in decomposition but plainly show large hands with fingers and five toes on each foot. Many believe this creature might be a Bigfoot,a legendary primate that is said to roam the forest of the pacific northwest regions of the US and Canada.
This unknown creature is said to have hands and feet like the animal found. The authorities have shipped the body to a crime lab in California for further study.
Guest Editor-Blogger: Dave Pro Tracker
Let's try to look at this thing logically. What can pull up a 350 lb information sign buried in concrete ? A black bear ? NO WAY. What can crush heavy steel trash cans and throw them into a lake? A black bear? Maybe crush but to throw? NO WAY. What can tear up small trees and then leave them in a pile? A black Bear? Maybe, but not probable. What does this leave us with? People? Maybe,but how is it being done without motorized vehicles to get there. I have used google earth to measure the nearest road other than the one that is gated off. It's 16.4 miles from the lake. Is there people that can walk 16.4 miles and damage things then walk 16.4 miles out on steep ground? If there is I want them for a football team! Bear is the only known animal that inhabits the pacific northwest forest that is big enough to damage things. Remember we don't have grizzles or Kodiak's here. Unless we have another animal that we don't know about.I'm betting on the ladder!